Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. Allegations of Abuse. (LogOut/ HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. Welcome Guest. First time ever looking at any RN sights. It may not display this or other websites correctly. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. The noise was excruciating. 1927. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. [1] He went on to be an SD subby. It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. . Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. Were you at HMS Ganges? Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! JavaScript is disabled. H.M.S. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. contact the editor here. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. #42. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. It began snowing on Boxing Day. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. . 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. 1905 - 1976 last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. Editors' Code of Practice. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links 1937. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. A Gannett Company. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. Richard Dunn. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. 1907. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). It may not display this or other websites correctly. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. Saw your message. Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Bob Roberts. Dec 30, 2016. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. 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HMS Ganges closed on June 6. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. David Colwill. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. It. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. Were you a 'button boy'? This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. Learn how your comment data is processed. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. His early life was hard by any standards. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. HP10 9TY. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. One person found this helpful. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. interesting .. photos of the old pool. The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. Doesnt sound too bad does it. 1976. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. 'Letters back to front, remember!' HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. . HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. 1906. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. Ganges training establishment. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. 2023 BBC. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Please Login or Register. Peter Cook. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. Commander was Trick and a good egg. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. Ronald Carr. The HMS Ganges Museum previously said restorers would remove the wooden part of the mast for refurbishment off site and they would then check the condition of the steel lower mast. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. 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