If there is anything we can do to The LDS Church has chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt LDS foundational truth claims. We stand with you, Sam! He must, The evidence against the Book of Abraham is so damning that the church abandoned, through its essay, its long held position that Joseph Smith did a literal Join. During the months of March and April, Runnells and Ivins held conversations via email discussing issues and concerns. essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. June 23, 2014 -- Mormon women's rights activist Kate Kelly was excommunicated by the church Monday. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations He served a mission for the church in New York and graduated from church-owned Brigham Young University. Gender issues. Attacking the messenger does not alter the reality of the message." me of. But now, after the press release, press conference, media interviews and tremendous reaction/response on social media, he is willing to move it back to the 10. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah Updating the CES Letter Point: You and the church have not corrected me nor given me any errors or mistakes to correct, as required by Runnells received no text reply back from Ivins' secretary. On October 19th when I told you these facts, I was speaking in direct opposition against Joseph Smith and his character. You might not understand how deep the wound cuts. murder me while refusing to answer the very reasonable questions I have asked you so many times the past year and a half. I As of February 28th, the Stake President cancelled the March 20th disciplinary council against me. American Fork, UT (February 9, 2016) FairMormon even lists more issues than the CES Letter does. Rather than a literal translation, the church is now selling a contradictory and bizarre "Catalyst Theory," which states that the along with not including the church's essays. - I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. However, because you're "not a historian," you were going questions, then it would be wrong for him to discipline them without first examining the issues completely himself. Questions which you agreed to help me get answers to - with zero conditions attached - in our November 2, 2014 It was a Mormonism where you were expected to search for and embrace all truth regardless of where it may be found. There is no middle ground. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other I think you should make them have no excuse that this is a local issue. Ditto for Debunking FairMormon's Debunking and my responses to other 11. delightful the beliefs.'" Runnells responds to Ivins' March 20, 2016 @ 5:05am email with the following 11:56pm email (screenshot): I am asking you questions seeking clarification and understanding from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my free After reviewing your website and your statements, there are By "long," the church means 2,000 years. My direct contact information is listed below. It was no longer in direct opposition to Joseph Smith and his character. Take notice of the wording that Ivins used against me on the issues - especially when doubt and critical questions are expressed by members. There are thousands and thousands of members who are struggling to get answers from the church to its foundational Again, I will be bringing my trusted interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. questions that I asked them. In the event it I had never heard of this. correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter or website, the church would be telling the world that it is not interested in honesty, transparency, and Apostasy would be one who flatly denies the divine nature of the Church or is antagonistic towards it. It is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own essays and To be clear, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily resigned his membership from the LDS Church. In response, Runnells posted the following on his Facebook wall: Which is it, LDS Church? We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. You agreed to help me back then only 2. Every single interaction and communication between Jeremy T. Runnells and his former Stake President, Mark Ivins, has been recorded and documented from the This offer still stands today. It shackled you with the notion that the world was dark and lost for the express purpose of preventing you from seeing its light and findings your own way. I will access the most up-to-date and accurate CES Letter as the original was before any of the church's essays. interested media, along with supporters of Runnells, are invited to attend and show support. If a one-night stand constituted a common law marriage, we would increase the number of polygamists by a million-fold overnight! Mormonism and excommunication By EditorUpdated on Jun 19, 2014. Attached in PDF are my complete answers and rebuttals to your questions and accusations. A tragedy for the children short term, but Sam's courage and sacrifice has drawn more attention than the church will ever be able to repel through threats and bullying of activists and concerned members. I recognize that dealing with a family member receiving hospices care is a difficult situation for you and your family. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. Ivins responded with See Book of Mormon Central, "Why Was Martin Harris Cut Off from the Church? Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . In some cases he may say that he wants them to partake of the sacrament, give a prayer, etc. council: Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication: Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on Lee claimed that he was thrown out due to an argument about the role of Native Americans in the church, but in 1994, he was convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child, which reportedly took place in 1989. ", "Yesterday's 'anti-Mormon lies' are now today's Church essays. Without a healthy marketplace where the free flow of information, ideas, and discussion exist, there is no true freedom. Letter to William W. Phelps, 22 July 1840. President Ivins assured Runnells that he wanted to help, and that he would obtain Rather than answering the questions, you went ahead and followed your year and a half pattern of consistently refusing to answer my sincere questions while This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Born in Long Beach, California, Hamula rose through the ranks of the church from a missionary in Germany to an Area Seventy, a local version of the General Authorities. "[23], In 2018, when Lars Nielsen published confidential documents about the investment fund of the LDS Church, he titled his work, "Letter to an IRS Director" in homage to the "Letter to a CES Director" written by Runnells. President, I wrote the following in my November 2, 2014 letter to you: "It is my position that if the Church seeks to remove my membership, it is committing a grotesque injustice by punishing me for sharing the truth, most of As of Thursday, more than 200 health-care professionals signed a letter to the stake president saying they are concerned that withdrawing Helfer's membership will create a culture of stigma and. The LDS church announced that Elder James Hamula had been released from his role in the church's leadership "following church disciplinary action." A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. President, I distinctly recall in our first October 19, 2014 meeting telling you things that were in direct opposition to Joseph Smith and his character. [1][8][6] Numerous responses by LDS Church apologists in blogs, books, and podcasts have been created, including several by FairMormon. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. You likewise refused to answer and clarify. I have done nothing wrong. circulating on the Internet. The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. The CES Director confirmed that he read the "very well-written" letter and acknowledged that these are issues "which of Mormon but the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses. Religious societies have the right to deal with members disorderly conduct, D&C 134:10. He contradicted this agreement by moving the date up, with a simple explanation that there was "additional month where he acknowledges this: "Gone are the days when a student asked an honest question and the teacher responded, 'Don't worry about it.' The Salamander Letter: The Most Scandalous Document In Mormon History A clip from Netflix's Murder Among the Mormons that explores the infamous salamander letter. I'm a firm believer that the free flow of defend myself vigorously. publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website.". It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." Any disciplinary action against me without giving me errors or mistakes to publicly correct along with the opportunity to publicly correct and repent of This I just couldn't believe that I'd never heard of the polyandry stuff for example, or that Joseph Smith was married to 14-year-old girls. simply the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. The minute that the church interferes with a member's or investigator's investigation by withholding or It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come obedience and conformity over the pursuit of truth and virtue of individual free agency. Runnells responded back via text that now was not a good time for him due to a family member in hospice care along with other obligations and commitments. I don't know how to repent of church essay verified facts. In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit not just the Book No answersjust threats of excommunication. Also, the All of them promised answers or to find answers only to never respond back. This letter can be viewed either in PDF or the two images below. Instead of punishing me and hoping I'll go away with my questions, why won't you just answer them? from out of state. You attempted to place conditions on me by demanding that I take down everything and to move our conversation into the dark. nowit's a "privilege to work with [me]"? Related A professor at a Mormon university was asked to retract a pro-LGBT Facebook post. situation has changed since our last meeting in the fall of 2014 as I recently lost half of my hearing. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. 4. (Doctrine and Covenants 5:32)," KnoWhy 606 (June 1, 2021). The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. In fact, October 19th's "anti-Mormon While excommunication is rare and in the LDS tradition is different from what you might expect an article by Elder M. Russell Ballard has helped some reporters and others better understand the reasons for it. CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 In 1989, George Lee, the first Native American to become a General Authority in the church, was excommunicated for apostasy and conduct unbecoming of a church member. Temple Recommend question. After scheduling the meeting with Stake President Mark Ivins' secretary, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily meets President Ivins for the very first time in It just really shocked me. https://t.co/DXvx3xAGfT pic.twitter.com/fU7v7ZjuzU. you told me in our last meeting that you thought I'm a good man. Truth in Church History. Later this evening (February 9, 2016) @ 7:40pm, CES Letter Foundation issued a press release announcing the upcoming Valentine's Day disciplinary What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. Here is my resignation letter. It told you that you were at heart evil and immoral and only by subordinating your conscience to their decrees could you see yourself as a good person. Date. than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. Yet on October 22nd? These actions and very vague insinuations felt like a character assassination attempt on the part of you and the church by insinuating that I was ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. In 1841 the Mormons published a poem which stated "Or Book of Mormon not his word, because denied by Oliver". A main theme of the letter is the belief of Runnells that the church knew unflattering aspects about its history but deliberately hid or misrepresented them. will respect this request and the Handbook by not attempting to hold a disciplinary council against me in my absence and inability to defend myself. If you're going to listen to anything, listen to this. Front row: Jody England Hansen. Gone are the days when a student raised a theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. excommunicated. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who willfully "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." essays and other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. I would like to keep our appointment to meet on March 15th and then schedule They still do. I'm pleased that I and everyone else involved, including the high council, will be able to spend time with our The CES Director read the "very-well written" document, stated that "these are issues which the Brethren (Apostles) are concerned about" and promised a So cute, Sixpactr. Thanks for the laugh. modern Egyptologists. CES Letter was my response. I am no longer a member of the church. Your previous content has been restored. contradict each other. Despite the CES Director and Stake President, Mark Ivins, Back row: Andy Parker. ", "I'm not discrediting the church. "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. It felt like bullying to me. You tried to hold a court on me on In the end, President, I know that you will do what you feel is appropriate. Runnells posts a link on Facebook to Elder M. Russell Ballard's "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address and writes: Elder Ballard: Don't turn to Google for answers, turn to us for answers. The following is the PDF letter Runnells attached to email to Ivins: I'm still waiting for your answers to my CES Letter questions. 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After close to a three week break, Ivins breaks silence by emailing Runnells the following 4:57am email (screenshot): Brother Runnells - As a follow-up to my previous email, I plan to meet with you on March 15th 2016 as previously scheduled. Ms. Kelly's stake president had warned her in a letter in May that if she did not shut down the website, dissociate herself from it and repent, she faced excommunication for "openly, repeatedly. accepted by Ivins. With respect, President, your question demonstrates that you either have forgotten the letter that I gave you to read in our November 2, 2014 meeting or I'm really touched by that. what you have said and done has done just that. Stake President Ivins and Runnells up to that point. She refused and was fired. Elder's Quorum email list to be notified of service opportunities and I have given service several times. still does include my interviews). Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. They were wrong for over 130 years on the blacks. He was made General Authority in 2008meaning he had to give up his practice as a lawyer and serve the church full timeand spent time in New Zealand before returning to the church's Utah headquarters in 2014. Doubt is the beginning to knowledge and wisdom. I am supportive of them and their desires to attend Church on Sunday. Why all of this 1984 nonsense and secrecy? Runnells responded to Ivins' April 7, 2016 Disciplinary Court letter with the following 2:22am email (screenshot). Middle row: Jennifer White, Jana Spangler, Natasha Helfer, and Kattie Niu Mount. all over again. - Elder Hugh B. For your convenience, in addition to enclosing the letter I handed to you The church claims to believe in free agency, but it doesn't. the disciplinary council for March 20, 2016. CES Letter began as a letter Runnells wrote to an LDS religious instructor (CES Director) outlining his questions, concerns, and doubts about LDS Church foundational truth claims (e.g., Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham historicity, Joseph Smith's polygamy and polyandry, LDS priesthood restoration, multiple first vision accounts). If it did not, then this Jeremy later received, through his attorney, an April 20, 2016 confirmation letter from the LDS Church verifying his resignation: "I don't know how to repent of the truth. In a normal month they usually process 500-1000 over the course of that entire period. The choice is yours. Although I no longer have a testimony or literal belief in the truth claims of the LDS Church, call ended with Runnells telling Ivins to have his secretary call him around March 15th to schedule a time to come in. The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. I have asked you over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors and mistakes in the CES Letter and elsewhere (this offer has included and I excommunicate the church from my life. Therapists spend years getting former members to be able to reach this degree of clarity regarding their relationship to unethical controlling groups. responses to FairMormon. Address is: 825 E 500 N, American Fork, Utah. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between insinuations against Runnells along with their multiple attempts to excommunicate Jeremy Runnells. I also attend some of the "discuss my membership in the church." Runnells responds to Ivins' above March 11, 2016 @ 5:02am email with the following @ 3:47pm email (screenshot). March 15th, I invite you to participate in a private written dialogue. Ivins also decided to keep the original gentleman's agreement to meet on March 15, 2016. The only power that the church has is the power you give them. I also understand that I will be "readmitted to the church by baptism only after a thorough interview.". But again, this is really up to the Bishop. There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. Here is a sister - of ours (ALL members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; hereafter "the Church) who has not maintained a close relationship with her leaders or community recently and seems perplexed that "people who do not even know me" are calling her to account with her (perceived) "contrary to the doctrines of the Church" pronouncements. The church is led by a three-man First Presidency, headed up by Thomas Monson, the 16th president of the LDS church. There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet Joseph Smith translated a standard funerary document that has nothing to do with Abraham This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. You are asking me to remove my defenses against personal and dishonest attacks against my name, integrity and character. Fortunately, you've cleared this up by clearly showing that any disciplinary action against me is not because of moral failings on my part but because of He was called to be a stake high counsellor. In the event it The Church's Race and the Priesthood, Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo, Book of Mormon Translation, First Vision Accounts, and Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham essays not only are in open opposition to Joseph Smith and church leaders, they directly contradict carefully correlated church narratives taught to generations of Latter-day Saints. The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. [24] Nielsen said, "I wrote 'Letter to an IRS Director' in the style (and in admiration) of 'Letter to a CES Director' because isolated, questioning Mormons need hours of immersive, binge-worthy, relatable, and rich content when their 'shelves begins to break. Seasons and Times, Vol 2, p482. They were wrong about polygamy/polyandry/marrying and having sex with teenage girls. To drag me into a disciplinary court is a grotesque injustice. After four years of research into Joseph I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. accordingly. For many, many members of the church, including myself, "doubt your doubts" or "pray about it" or "give Brother Joseph a break" or "lean on my testimony" Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. What's an investigation? Truth is often found in the most unexpected places. Handbook of Instruction 6.7.3, before holding any disciplinary action against me. You have refused over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors or mistakes for me to publicly correct. Something I've always wondered. Push to ordain Mormon women leads to excommunication 26 August 2014 George Frey Kate Kelly shows a digital copy of the letter which informed her of her excommunication By Jane Little BBC. If the sin is so serious that it requires excommunication, the individual will continue attending church, praying, and working toward a time when they can be re-baptized. this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. I am confident that you will be able to hear and understand the proceedings. Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. In fact, I recall asking you to give me the definition of "apostasy" from the Handbook after you accused me of it. You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. I do so look forward to reviewing my answers to your She wrote this op-ed before that decision, but it's just as relevant today.) claims, you and the church are actively seeking to censor, silence, and kill the messenger rather than address the message. I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. hearing that I myself terminated in disgust with my own resignation. [12], The CES Letter, along with a book published by Egyptologist Robert K. Ritner and the reactions generated by apologists were influential in the 2014 release by the LDS Church of an essay addressing historical difficulties in the Book of Abraham. And good comeback. You are attempting to spiritually you're not the easiest guy to hear). The recordings and emails speak for themselves. More often than not, if the person is not endowed, it will be disfellowship rather than excommunication, but it is up to the circumstances, etc. "I began to have these feelings of betrayal. "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse" - Race and the Priesthood essay. (Update, Monday 23 June: The author has been excommunicated by the Mormon church. michael b rush excommunicated. American Fork, UT (April 9, 2016) - Jeremy Runnells, author of the renowned Letter to a CES Director (also known as CES Letter), has been summoned to a disciplinary council by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on charges of apostasy. As I am no longer a member, I These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Apparently two letters were sent to Daybell from the LDS Church stating that he could appeal the decision, but he didn't get them until it was a month too late - so he's out. and integrity. A number of elements about this story make me angry, not the least of which is that this is a church that emphasizes order, procedure, detail and following rules to the letter. Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court, but were denied entrance into the building. Being Unrepentant is the main reason, a lot depends on callings that are held, if you've been through the temple. assist, please let me know. with fearless and open mind 'insist that facts are far more important than any cherished, mistaken beliefs, no matter how unpleasant the facts or how "My experience with President Ivins, unfortunately, the past year and a half, is that he has never answered my questions. against me. Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. questions were significant and the church would best serve its members by providing answers. We are trying to respond to those problem Introduction I received a letter informing me that on Sunday a "membership council" (formerly, "disciplinary council") will be held "on my behalf". I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. It is worth bringing up current Church Historian Elder Steven Snow's comment again: "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. All you who speak so authoritatively on the excommunication topic, explain this: a friend of mine was an adulterer, boozer, and liar. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our. [9] Brian Hales of FairMormon suggested that Runnells was lying, and had been deceived by Satan. I mean, I don't know how to repent of - I've asked you over and over and over to tell me where I'm wrong. - Elder Hugh B. A Texas activist has been excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after leading a public campaign against the church's practice of allowing leaders to privately question children about sex. involvement. Also is there a time frame, is there follow up required? Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally accepted by Ivins. Also, the confidential nature of our meeting Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. that many members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. additional information which facilitates holding a Stake Disciplinary Council in your behalf. 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