I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Was she the women at the party?" "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? > the same time, being simple and concrete. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom How? It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. That is a possible explanation. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. Was she the women at the party?" All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." It was a > party nevertheless. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." 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You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. EWS was potential. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. andpleading with her to take off her mask? When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Please either stop or> shape up. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Statanic mass? First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. He wasn't positive. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. ", "They were nutcases. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. I actually had to look that up. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. 1. <<<<<<<<<<<>. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Again. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. Mandy was not the same woman. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Same voice. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. Mandy was not the same woman. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? 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